Curse

Spike Stritter · Nov 08, 2008, 05:18 AM // 05:18

Hey with all these builds coming out that use PvE skills its becoming a little too unrealistic to grind r10 titles for each and every character u have. (Asura, Norn, SS, LB, etc.) I want to play the game more not spend months grinding in order to. (QQ yes i know).
So heres my idea. Make the title EFFECTS account based, not the individual titles. (WTF does that mean???) Heres an example: lets say my warrior has r10 asura. if i log onto my ele or any other character that does not have r10 asura the skills effects will be as if they were r10 BUT there own individual asura title will still be whatever u got it up to be. Another example: if my ranger has r7 Norn and none of my other characters on my account have higher than r7 if i log on to any other character they norn skills will be as though they are r7 even though their own individual norn title is only like r5 or whatever lvl it is.

Again this is so you only have to grind once and then you are able to enjoy the game instead of having to jump on a dif prof to grind.

tell me what you think.

Jenn · Nov 08, 2008, 05:21 AM // 05:21

/not signed.

In some builds where rank can make or break it, I can foresee a lot of idiots trying to pass for something higher than they are. In addition, I don't want to take less when I can expect to have more. And I think rep is easy enough to get that it essentially doesn't need to be made account-wide. If someone had to "grind" to get that rank, chances are they have at least some experience with that class. I don't want some assassin who just hit level 20 to join my team when someone else has earned r10 whatever and has been through the motions of doing whatever build and area.

(Since some people are going to cry like babies at what I said, suck it up. I'm speaking with what's relevant to this thread, not commenting on the ethics of using PvE-only skills, etc.)

Spike Stritter · Nov 08, 2008, 05:36 AM // 05:36

i agree that that could be a problem but ususally you can see that a newb is a newb instantly and boot him.
but also my idea could bring abut more experienced ppl doing groups that use PvE skills(cryway,FoW,UW) etc. since they dont have to grind..me being a perfect example.

majikmajikmajik · Nov 08, 2008, 06:04 AM // 06:04

its title and character based for a reason, leave it.

Luminarus · Nov 08, 2008, 06:06 AM // 06:06

I dont really think its that big a deal. The only problem I find with it is that my ranger isnt usable in most farm builds, since nowadays most are cryway. However, I dont have a mesmer with more then r7 SS, so my Cry is crap. I cant really participate in Cryway unless they need a ranger, or I have to make my mesmer that high. However, if I want to seriously do things with Cryway then taking the extra time to max SS so im effective isnt a big deal. Aslong as the shrines for completing areas go account wide I dont think this is necessary.

Oh and Fat, if you think that have r10 asuran/norn/vanguard etc makes a player good, ur wrong. You can max norn through HFFF, you can max asuran through Leeching, you can max dwarven from snowmen, none of these are hard, just time consuming.

Seriously what do you gain from maxing the title over r6 (which is piss easy to get). Most were scaled iirc to have max effect at r8, so ur usually lacking 1 second, 10ish damage, 1-2%, etc. The only time this was nuts was with ursan wen it was so braindead easy that everyone could succeed so grabbing r10 ursans just made it faster. And in those circumstances being an ursan made u no longer a (example) mesmer, so may as well just use the char with the maxed title.

Konig Des Todes · Nov 08, 2008, 07:20 AM // 07:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spike Stritter

Hey with all these builds coming out that use PvE skills its becoming a little too unrealistic to grind r10 titles for each and every character u have. (Asura, Norn, SS, LB, etc.) I want to play the game more not spend months grinding in order to. (QQ yes i know).
So heres my idea. Make the title EFFECTS account based, not the individual titles. (WTF does that mean???) Heres an example: lets say my warrior has r10 asura. if i log onto my ele or any other character that does not have r10 asura the skills effects will be as if they were r10 BUT there own individual asura title will still be whatever u got it up to be. Another example: if my ranger has r7 Norn and none of my other characters on my account have higher than r7 if i log on to any other character they norn skills will be as though they are r7 even though their own individual norn title is only like r5 or whatever lvl it is.

Again this is so you only have to grind once and then you are able to enjoy the game instead of having to jump on a dif prof to grind.

tell me what you think.

First, /notsigned.

Second, Linsey has a title re-balance next week. Hold all suggestions until after this. The Grind is suppose to be reduced all around.

Third, against grind but against free stuff to those not willing to do the work.

oeg82000 · Nov 08, 2008, 08:54 AM // 08:54

/Signed
i want to use other chars too,not only 1 with maxed pve titles(what not maxed yet-i cant play 12 hours a day like some other guys,just hour or 2)

the Puppeteer · Nov 08, 2008, 09:38 AM // 09:38

/signed for no more grind

also you could make the text when you're pinging your title effect when its active - "I'm under the effects of rank 10 norn title" or smth like that

Xsiriss · Nov 08, 2008, 09:52 AM // 09:52

/signed.

For the love of god yes,why do I need r10 asuran on my war when all the asuran skills are mainly spells?

dasmitchies · Nov 08, 2008, 11:44 AM // 11:44

/signed
Let Us see what happens with the rebalance next week. Titles, massive nerf batting, the whole concept may be moot as I am betting they ruin the game. AGAIN

Jenn · Nov 08, 2008, 07:00 PM // 19:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luminarus

Oh and Fat, if you think that have r10 asuran/norn/vanguard etc makes a player good, ur wrong. You can max norn through HFFF, you can max asuran through Leeching, you can max dwarven from snowmen, none of these are hard, just time consuming.

Lol. It's always people who go out on a limb to prove something wrong. YES people pay for services to get them ahead in all sorts of facets. Most don't. Stick with the majority here and you might be more credible. Most people who actually set out to get to r10 of each reputation do things like filling up books, not leeching (the verrry slow way). The reason I said they are more experienced than some scrub who just hit level 20 and want to play the game is because people who have earned those titles have played that character more extensively than just lvls 1-20.

Stupid Shizno · Nov 08, 2008, 07:46 PM // 19:46

fat, your logic is flawed more then luminarus

this game is dead, meaning the skill creativity and build synergy is dead. everything is a gimmick making gimmick title farmers more in demand. when ursanway was strong, everyone was pretty much a newb. run in, spam skills, hope monks arnt dumb.

sounds like real pro exp players to me. anyone who bases skill of a mear title is indeed a scrub themselves fat

crazybanshee · Nov 08, 2008, 10:43 PM // 22:43

Meh it seems like people only come into this forum anymore to pick on everyone and act superior. Hence several of the above posters. I hope they address this title grind a bit but imho the eotn titles are among the easiest to max with the generous bounties and the handbooks. That 'type' of title does seem to work better as a toon based not an account based title. Same with the guardian and protector titles. Each 'person' on your account should have to do them if you want the benefit. Sucks that it affects the pve skills you get, but by the time you're done playing through eotn you should have a decent level on the title tracks for the skills you use. I find that you can easily be level 5 on any given eotn track by the end of the game just by playing through.

Div · Nov 08, 2008, 11:30 PM // 23:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Illfated Fat

/not signed.

In some builds where rank can make or break it, I can foresee a lot of idiots trying to pass for something higher than they are. In addition, I don't want to take less when I can expect to have more. And I think rep is easy enough to get that it essentially doesn't need to be made account-wide. If someone had to "grind" to get that rank, chances are they have at least some experience with that class. I don't want some assassin who just hit level 20 to join my team when someone else has earned r10 whatever and has been through the motions of doing whatever build and area.

(Since some people are going to cry like babies at what I said, suck it up. I'm speaking with what's relevant to this thread, not commenting on the ethics of using PvE-only skills, etc.)

y u so elitist?

I want uber titles for doing no work.

Xsiriss · Nov 09, 2008, 05:00 PM // 17:00

Oh yeh another point, all HoM stuff is account based, so you don't need to get r10 of all titles for each char anyway.

Enix · Nov 09, 2008, 09:55 PM // 21:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Illfated Fat

Lol. It's always people who go out on a limb to prove something wrong. YES people pay for services to get them ahead in all sorts of facets. Most don't. Stick with the majority here and you might be more credible. Most people who actually set out to get to r10 of each reputation do things like filling up books, not leeching (the verrry slow way). The reason I said they are more experienced than some scrub who just hit level 20 and want to play the game is because people who have earned those titles have played that character more extensively than just lvls 1-20.

The point is that people have ALREADY ground out books to get to R10, as I have.

Either way, GW is supposed to be based on skill, NOT grind. The premise that grinding to R10/Level 20 means that you know how to play classes better is foolish (if you think otherwise, I suggest random PuGs). GW was supposed to be friendly to the casual gamer - requiring grinding to play with people who think they are "leetsauce" is silly.

NOBODY should be put in the position of passing over Guildmates who play occasionally for hardcore players they don't even know because their guildies are not rank x in whatever. Title descrimination is the worst thing to happen to GW ever.

pamelf · Nov 09, 2008, 10:20 PM // 22:20

/signed. I think it was a sad day when titles had skill effects because it completely ostracises a huge portion of the player community who can no longer participate in certain aspects of the game because other players simply won't have them in the team.

This a way the game should never have gone in the first place, and anything that can be done to fix it gets a go ahead from me.

The Meth · Nov 09, 2008, 11:26 PM // 23:26

/signed. Argue over whether any 'skill' is needed to max a title if you want, but that's not the point. You can't say maxing a title 10 times over somehow makes you a better player then a person who has maxed it once. Still, lets wait and see what the weekend update will bring.

Also, nerf the PvE skills some please. The fact that imba pve skills are allowed to exist is half the problem.

Clone · Nov 10, 2008, 02:15 AM // 02:15

/Signed.... but only as an alternative to the more reasonable solution of just making the whole thing account based. Lets put an end to the Grind Wars

xukaiwen · Nov 10, 2008, 04:41 PM // 16:41

My friend suggested a similar solution to me. Once you beat EotN on any character in hard mode, your asuran/norn/whatever points are shared with all your other characters that have beaten EotN in hard mode. That way, you are required to at least be good enough to beat EotN on that classto get the benefit of the points. That proves you just as good as anyone else who earned r10 (because that's what they did to get r10, most likely) and leaves off the grind of having to do the hard mode missions over... and over... and over. At least, you can do the missions over and over and over on different classes, reducing the boredom of the grind. Plus, this will help guarantee the person that has the r10 title on THAT class actually has beat the hm missions with THAT class.

So, for all you "skill" snobs, that gives the best determination of pve skill that I know of.

For those that are worried that this will take away from folks who earned r10 on two different characters old school, I don't really see what you are complaining about. Just make sure that all your friends know you did it the hard way. Then the grind is reduced. You then, get to go around, with your friends as witnesses, shouting, "I'm better than you! I did it the hard way! AND YOU CAN NEVER DO IT LIKE ME!!!!" Making it impossible for other people to be as "elite" as you only makes you more "elite." Of course, this doesn't work if you don't have friends to witness for you. But in that case...

Of course, you are right, The Meth, this is all moot because of the imminent update. But I still want to rant.